Dry weight and full 76gal tank of gas alone is gonna be just shy of 6k and that doesnt include whatever isnt included in their dry weight number (tower?) He has the SP3 and the thing thumps. We have over 350 hours on it. It was anything but a Surf Edition boat. . And I'd love to be able to have tower up in my garage but not sure it's possible at 10'1. He said you'll never know the difference unless you ride in/behind them back to back. For my money, I'd take the A24 all day long over any Moomba specificallybecause of the wave. Plastic cup holders that fly out when towing just too many things on the Axis i didn't like from a quality perspective. Upload or insert images from URL. He had one marine mechanic, my new dealer has 40 full time marine mechanics. I promise I am not a fanboy either. The A24 is Axis' biggest boat, and amongst pros and core fans alike, has been known as one of the best bangs for the buck in the game with its massive wakes and waves. I will say surf gates are pretty easy to set up. I looked at both Axis and Moomba extensively this year when buying new. Congrats on your boat. If you are referring to keeping the boat straight while underway, its possible that the tab on the rudder needs to be adjusted, as it shouldn't be that difficult to hold the wheel. In September/October of last year, I looked at Axis T23, Moomba Craz, Mojo, and the Moomba Makai. You literally press a button. check out the. He really liked the Makai and was wrestling with the decision between that an the A24. Nautique Super Air GS22E. I ride behind my buddies 2020 A22 alot and his boat is a beast as well. Even with ballast up front. so I have a 2 year old hydro hoist 6600lb lift. Autowake worked great for both wakeboarding and surfing. We are planning on looking at the Max, ('21 redesigned) Mojo and the ATX 22s. I remember reading concerns that are extremely similar to yours and that's what triggered my post and it's why I'm still torn between these two boats. Haha! And the maximum ballast of 3,000 lb is significantly inferior to that offered on the Axis model. We'll be surfing, wake boarding with occasional tube rides and occasional cruises around Lake Washington. But i also found they are less adjustable when it comes to wave config's. He did not have bow PNP for the first few months and that thing rode WAYYYY bow high. By far! I don't know how much the a24 weighs, but I have the same lift and it has no problem getting my 2020 25 lsv (w/ 600# lead, full fuel, etc) out of the water. However ,I really don't want to buy a new boat and new boat lift. The A24 is one of the best surf/wakeboard boats on the market. Smart plate Standard on every Moomba model. Its fun and consistent and a great shape to learn on. But i also found they are less adjustable when it comes to wave config's. It may have been me, but others have posted the same type of things. Got it March of 2018. Only being able to turn against the rider is going to bother me, or my wife is just going to run the boat aground before she realizes the boat isn't going to turn. You do have drag on the steering with a surf gate setup. A brand new A24 with PW3 and "pretty loaded" is highly likely to be over 90. Below is a summary of what we asked them to evaluate as well as the methodology behind the results. Yeah, I've talked with them about that too just nervous to go that route and find that it's still not quite enough. There's my $.02. It has an amazing wave. I'm in agreement with the comment, "go for the best wave". We looked at both boats and the fit and finish of the Moomba was better than the Axis along with the touch screen and some other features, it is an impressive boat. We also lowered the tongue as far as we could but since the high point is pretty much directly above the axles, lowering the tongue did nothing. Buy a 200k mastercraft and you are going to have more ballast over stock if you want a nice wave. With a tab setup the boat tracks much straighter with less effort. Just wondering what my expectations should be? I recently purchased a new boat this year. They still work great, just not as smooth. It's free and it's easy, so don't hesitate to join the TheMalibuCrew Family today! Wished they were bringing a Kaiyen too. I have been looking into the '21 A24. I'm guessing it might not be quite as tall but maybe a bit longer? Current Axis Wake Research T250 . Should I opt for the 2279 (15.75" pitch) and use that as our primary prop and maybe switch to the 2249 when we go higher or if I know we'll be extra loaded down with people? I loved the size, layout, and storage on it. Axis pro Johnny Steig surfs no wedge on his A24, https://vimeo.com/channels/wavecomparison/page:1. The Axis at 5500+ dry is going to over gross it so i need to consider that too. In late fall/winter of 2017/18 my wife and I went shopping for a boat. Malibu does a lot of testing and provides 3 excellent options out of the gatethat you can chose from depending on your crew size, amount of weight you will be running and what elevation you will be operating. If it wasn't your post, then I'm sensing a bad trend with Axis' quality. Interested to hear your thoughts on the Moomba vs ATX. My wife had to stand to see over the front. Flienlow, Craz is sooo tall. Its Opti-V Hull takes wakesurfing to the next level with as much as 4,800 pounds of ballast displaces for the world's best waves and wakes. 3 years ago. This study tested various makes and models of boats to determine an accurate wave quality comparison. Finally, we've observed that keeping your speed between 10.5 and 11mph (our preference is 10.8mph, to be exact) helps you to achieve maximum push in late-model Supra's or Moomba's. Displacement This may seem obvious, but when you break it down to its simplest form, creating a powerful wake behind a boat is all about displacing water. Only you can know that for sure with a proper demo. So yes! The 2nd generation 25 lsv throws one of the industries best waves and it is always consistent. anyone added another tank to their lift and have an idea of cost on it? Malibu does have higher end components and tech, but build quality should be pretty equal with all things considered. At some point after we take delivery of our A22, I'm going to be getting a 2nd prop and am wondering which direction I should go? do you guys think the a24 would be too much for it? In the end i didn't go that route. Itll be fine for a while but if you are a stereo guy at all the factory system will leave you wanting more in this category. I need to talk to the factory. 2022 Axis Wake Research T250 WELCOME TO THE NEXT LEVEL. Drone industry consolidation is about to become a reality. We have a 2018 A24. But that is where you save a little on the Axis line. . 02-20-2021, 04:16 PM. No bling. It seems like it's splitting hairs between the A22 and T22 and we like the fact that the A22 surfs and boards a bit better than the T22. I'm a bigger guy (275), and we've got 3 younger kids (10/8/6). Updatetook delivery of our A22 on July 3rd. its says something about longevity. Copyright 2005-2022 | TheMalibuCrew.com MasterCraft NXT22. You can adjust the wedge to change the shape and push of the wave. My previous boats were easy to sell because they held up well. Fact is they're almost identical at the NXT level. I don't find that to be too big of a deal but some do. All times are UTC - 6 hours 22'6" vs 24'5". I also found two screws under one of the motors when i was crawling around. Quicksurf provides the most wave adjustment (surf to skim and everything in between) in the industry. PCM has called the two 6.0 variants the zr409 and zr450 for years. Moomba Makai - was dead set on buying the one in stock at the dealer. My wife at 55 even on her toes couldnt safety see over the bow while I was surfing. I dont know if the tower is calculated into the dry weight, but I would hope so. It is just the simple fact that I have one rudder pointing one way, and the other rudder (surfgate) pointing the other way. We are on a river basically, not real wide but we turn while surfing at the end of each run. A Dealer tells me its miles ahead of Moomba/Supra in surf performance. from Oren. Somewhat janky flip up "chillax" seats. Surf waves are not like wakeboard wakes. I'm looking at getting a new boat. The helm seat wiggled, and the windshield didn't line up. Your link has been automatically embedded. They were missingon the floor models. But I talked about keeping it, and yes I agree if you know your moving up all the time then the resale is more critical , my perspective is keeping one, Ive owned all of my boats for 15 years , this one 5 at 650 hours. The Mojo has a more premium feel to the materials, and looks Press J to jump to the feed. I've read that with the Moomba it allows you to change the wave from a big wave to a long wave. As I pointed out in another thread, some of us live on small lakes and have to turn around while still surfing. Just go used. We are leaning T22 but one of the main reasons is because of the height issue with the Craz. I just talked to my Lift guy. Malibu is better than moomba but moomba is better than axis Some would argue that Moomba interior is now nicer than both Malibu and Axis. The T22 was 93k exactly. I would have spend the money on a malibu had i found one i liked. Just food for thought. Plan on a sub upgrade right away. With wakeboarding, only the very best boarders "need" the biggest wake. The interior and tech is not as complex as upscale brands like Malibu, but this doesn't mean the quality is inferior. Ok, but numerical argument still holds for loaded and not so loaded with pw3. I don't find that to be too big of a deal but some do. Just curious, is your background on lifts based on cable or floating types? Fully custom trailer, albeit expensive, might be the safest route. And for 85k, it better be better. Had COUNTLESS memories with our family and it never left us stranded one time. and any gear, etc you have on board. We were looking at getting a Moomba Max or an Axis T23. Chatt says he has the surf wake on the axis dialed in pretty good. The surf wave on the Max was extremely disappointing, we spent hours trying to set it up and it just couldnt deliver. To demonstrate the phenomenal performance of Malibu & Axis surf technology, we commissioned a 3rd party group to perform head to head testing on comparable watersports boat models. That being said, is "only" having 341 an issue in these Axis boats? I love our interior and the massive amounts of storage on this boat. Have you posted something similar to that on this forum somewhere? It should fit with my eyes shut. I just can't spend this kind of money on Axis quality. Boats, Accessories & Tow Vehicles - Need some new boat help. My wife had to stand to see over the front. . similar to the Budget boat Max, or would it be a step up? Thing is a beast. The front bar on the tower base would hit the bar on the section of the tower that lowers. We had a budget to stick to tho. ATX22 vs MAX. All boats I have seen have some fit and finish issues. If you really want to slam it you will need more weight in the bow then the factory bags allow. It's free and it's easy, so don't hesitate to join the TheMalibuCrew Family today! The interior is less expensive than Malibu or other "top notch brands". Also, nobody gets hurt on these big waves. So you are at 6000lbs without any gear or people added. End of story if you're looking purely at wake performance the A20 is king. Advertise|Contact|Terms of Use|Privacy Policy|Report Abuse|Conduct|About Us. I do like what I heard from Shawndoggy and Surfsupdude about those issues, though. There are tons on onlyinboards. As far as lead is concerned, I dont run it. Axis' biggest boat, the A24, has been redesigned for 2021. Good to know, thanks. shakarocks All-American. 09-26-2020, 04:25 PM. On 10/19/2020 at 11:18 AM, smuurph84 said: Copyright 2005-2022 | TheMalibuCrew.com. I hate to see new buyers make concessions like this in favor of what they perceive to be a nicer interior. I think Moomba is out of the question for usjust too many challenges to overcome to make it fit into our garage. All boats were set up using factory ballast. Moomba Mojo - some reason the extra length over the Craz made it a little harder to get a good wave and had to play with it for a bit to find the right settings. He also has PW3 and surf pipe. Awesome stuff you guys. Seems odd to choose a random number. I am assuming around 80k? Not an A22, but I use a 2279 on my 16 MB F22 with the Raptor 400. A24 is a much bigger boat than the moomba max. I changed the oil. The best wave makes the experience BETTER for the new surfer and his family. Can't wait! We are now looking at the option of ordering our local dealer's last A22. Long story short, I could not wait to get rid of it. If your like me, when i started out i bought a very nice Mastercraft X2 2006. Up there the 2279 was awesome for cruising and tubing but on the edge for surfing. Not loved it , best thing about NSS is best transfers in industry hands down as I can do 8 in a row in less than 35 seconds ( cant do that with surf gate),love the G23 wave but as you have said no boat(fit and finish) is worth $200000.00especially when you can get a better brand new boat wave fir $90000, cant really get a 18 or 19 lsv for anywhere near that and $90000 (depending on options a delivered price) gets you a brand new a24 with 5 year warranty, and both a24 waves were slightly superior to the 2018 23 lsv wave I surfed that wasalready dialed by the dealer to his liking , loved that wave but cant justify $50000.00 more for it unless your flipping and paying 4-8 notes before flipping, I started this thread back during my search for those exact same boats. 3 adults in the boat, 4 kids, and stock (3,000lbs max) ballast. I will say that you may need a bit more weight in the moomba. I don't know anything about the Makai, but as others have said, until you demo both, you just won't know what you're buying. The short of it: With its deeper hull, the 20-foot-11-inch Supra SR still displaces plenty of water to kick up solid and clean wakeboard wakes, and a really fun wakesurf wave. My Choices are New Max, New ATX, or Axis A22 or T23. Our local dealer had a 2018 pre-owned, low hours, fairly highly optioned for 89,999. Especially if you are going to load it up (which you are). Looking for for some unbiased reviews on a 2018 A24 vs. a 2019 Moomba Makai or Mojo. ATX vs AXIS. Moomba Helix. The local Dealer is getting one this weekend and I will hopefully go for the demo. I currently own a Max. I dont think you could go wrong with either boat but I like the looks of the Axis better also. Your link has been automatically embedded. Everyone can be comfortable in whatever seat they are in. You get the bigger color screen, not the tiny b&w. In the end he bought a 25 LSV. Due to that, we are leaning towards ordering a new A22. Not sure what they had for ballast up there but it was quite apparent. I leaned towards the moomba because axis owners I had talked to were getting way worse fuel consumption numbers. Pasted as rich text. I know exactly what I'm getting in a Malibu/Axis wave amazing shape, size, and push that is EASY to set up. Styling is definately mroe classic on the Moomba. . No tuning, no guessing, no tinkering, no dialing. The interior is really good and the wave can be just as good once you figure it out. Here's the issue with your statement above. My lift is a 6000lbs and the Max is putting it at the top of capacity range as it is. I am not going to try to bash Axis but it ain't no malibu. Axis needs more attention to detail. The surf wave is amazing. I like both but there is no way i could ever buy an Axis until they get more concerned with fit and finish. Much higher than the other boats we tested. Tons of choices in this category including the Tige R21, Supreme S224, Supreme S238, Sanger 215, Sanger 237, Moomba Mojo, Moomba Makai, Mastercraft NXT, Axis A22, Axis T23 The Moomba Max is engineered to be a wake surf boat that's priced well without scrapping a lot of the additions on boats twice the cost. I will never get a Metallic paint job on a boat again. So Axis went and made it better. You get more of a crabbing action out of the Axis surf which I think makes it better out of the box surf. Counting the days until delivery, time is just dragging. My 1st boat spent more time at the dealer than the lake. Look for a used 23 LSV. There's not a lot of tank showing above the water but I have zero concerns with that set up and it's not like a cable type lift where you have to worry about cables snapping. What other features are present on the 2019 Axis A22? The axis had fiberglass strings hanging under the seats, trimmings laying on the carpet and under the motor and the vinyl piping didn't line up on the seats. If you add an additional 400lbs to the bow you can run heavy in the rear and the wake is all you would ever need. Fueling Your Passion For Life on The . It doesn't matter where people are sitting in the boat most of the time. We could not behappier. no one knows. The A is a sick boat too. Sounds like you need to add some to the bow. I think you would run into a problem with insurance claim if something happened to your boat on a lift that was rated too low. We know how to surf (ocean), but we'll be newbies behind a boat, so ease of use is a big factor. Add in Supra's AutoWake technology and you won't have any problem getting air and maintaining the ideal wake shape for you. Haha, no kidding Matt. FREE Storage boot. Sunflower Labs Autonomous Drones Video Interview w/ Alex Pachikov, 30 Hour Endurance VTOL Drones in South Africa Alti Interview. I can't say too much about the Makai or Mojo. Upgrade to the M6. You cannot paste images directly. And dumped gas in it like water. I am amazed at how many dealers are so excited to make the wave so tall and big that they give max wedge and then the boat is riding a wheelie down the lake. It makes a huge difference. I dont doubt the all lifts are over engineered, meaning they will hold more than they are rated for. My family was in your shoes a little over a year ago. Was barely over 90, Thats what I thought , there were reports of non gel boats not loaded for far less than 90 all over ,making depending on sales tax a possibility to deliver at 90, you cant beatthat for what can be considered one of the premier wake/wave combos in the industry , lifetime boat fir a boat price instead of a house price. 2249 worked great up there the prior summer - again, just cruising rpm were higher than I preferred. More than half of the Vi24's ballast is located sub-floor; therefore, it does not encroach on your storage areas. The 409 motor is nothing to be concerned with. Fixed one blown speaker in the bow. There arequite a few posts on this on TMC (and varying opinions) but if you go A24, spend the extra $$ if you can and go with theM6. Videos and our methodology are below. My door is 8' and my ceiling is 10'1". Where are they from? We get horrible fuel economy out the Max while surfing at 4200rpm, and I am wondering if a Switch to GM platform would be welcome? We ended up gong with a new 23 LSV and we couldn't be happier with that choice. Fill everything while headingto our spot and surf once we get there. In fact, I know I dont. Jul 30, 2021. The A20 came out at $80k exactly. I adjusted the tab on the rudder, and that was not the problem for me. I have never been on an A24. I ended up with a '18 for right at the same price as the Makai would have been after trade-in. I don't have any experience with the current year axis boats, but I did shop axis back in 16 when I bought my craz. The Max has no bow weight Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm running 1450 enzos bags in the rear and an additional 400 steel in the front. Wasn't sure i would stay in the game just wanted a good watersports boat. We use our Current Max a lot and feel justified at 250hr in the need to trade in for a newer boat. The wave. Could the hardware be a little better on them.. SURE! Once you start surfing and get good at it, you'll want a good wave. It's a BIG boat. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. We will always . Those are some sweet pics. Just a plain tiny little menu screen, all buttons are physical on the axis. This video compares Axis 2019 T23 to the Moomba 2019. Having the plastic ones not glued in is amore desirable optionso you can easily swap them for the SS or pull them out to route wires for aftermarket upgrades. 11:12 :12 pm. Moomba Craz - super easy to get a good wave, fill all and hit surf left/right and it just works! Thanks. Totally agree, lol. It will stay clean all the way down to very slow beginner speeds. The moomba has options for a small and large lcd, you wont get that on the axis. Haven't really been behind many boats. I can do tricks but I am not a pro. By I think Axis is the best boat you can buy for the price! You will have fun on the water regardless of the vinyl pattern they stitched on the seats. They like to plow. order. I own a 2018 Axis T22 with Power Wedge and absolutely love it. Yeah didnt make it up your way much this summer and never with the boat. As far as steering with gates over tabs, yah, its notable. Am I the only one that thinks these are both bad choices? I've had a couple of minor issues with our 25. The new name highlights that this all-new model is bigger and better than its predecessor with enhanced on-water performance, signature style, and even more Axis intuitiveness.. 2016 Axis Wake Research A22 AWRA6579G516 PreOwned Ski/Wakeboard/Wakesurf 2023 Malibu Boats M240 New Advertised pricing excludes applicable taxes title and licensing . My buddy that demo'd with me bought it the next week. We had a ballast fuse blow. The totally-new Axis T250 makes history as the longest boat ever produced by Axis . We are somewhat beginner surfers. Early July. your paying 50-60%more for ever so slightly less wake/wave due to slightly bigger boat and if your holding boat why pay 50-60% more for fit snd finishif its your 1st v drive you own andyour frame of reference to the better fitor finish will be almost useless, your going to have a blast and you wont be looking at your lesser boat in thatway, only those of us with the OCD problem are going to notice it all like unfinished fiber glass cleaning areas that have it rubbing our forearms and itching ( oops even Malibu has that problem right? They also have their recommendations of what bags you need out of the box. Axis vs moomba. Another option would be to drain some ballast from the rear if it had over 750's in the lockers. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Good call. They are both solid boats. I think the 2279 is slightly better all around and still meets most of the sea level low end needs we'll have. Malibu Boats 25 LSV Wakesetter. We put a 8,000lb lift in for our 2021 A24. i did like the 2017 moomba mojo pro wave stock ballast plus 300 lead and 5 passengers! Moomba interior to me beats the Axis without a doubt. I am currently looking at new boats, a moderately equipped Moomba Mojo and an Axis A22. 2022 Guinn Consulting LLC All Rights Reserved. Surf wave and wakeboard wake are both awesome. Axis boats, like Moomba, are designed to be affordable, so they have fewer bells and whistles and flashy features. THE budget line surf king , A24 but traditional T23 is also slickplus more cabin space config, disconnecting bags are from large bsgs with inappropriately configured ballast hoselengthsand routingsnd whether a 90 or straight quick connect should be used on a particular port with its appropriately routed and cut ballast line, short hoses for drains at bottom rear of locker sacs with straight quick connects are notoriousfor that, so anyone or any dealer can do it wrong on any brand, i do not like the heightof theMax step down to swim platform from stern, i only surfed a Max one time with a brand new Max owner with s not dialed wave but a big crew and the regular wave was unimpressive, A24 with basic pnp and some extra nose weight (or not) with or without wedge is great, withadjustable power wedge its insane , shape of an axis surfwaveis just awesome, lift mode for heavy riding wake boarders is also very nice. 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